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  1. PLATINUM Specs, Features, Price -- 2025 4Runner 6th Gen ++ Colors, Interiors, Accessories, Options

    That is not entirely true. The will both have a true low end with a locking center diff. Also it will still have the brake torque vectoring (forget what Toyota calls it) that works pretty dang well. MTS is really just adjusting the intensity of that. Meanwhile, a locking rear diff and crawl...
  2. Engineering Explained - FT4WD vs PT4WD (4Runner Part-Time 4WD vs. Land Cruiser's Full-Time 4WD)

    As long as a system truly is full time on all four wheels, it will perform pretty well. You mention the viscus coupling Subaru AWD. I have two vehicles with that right now and they are spectacular. I still think the FT 4WD Toyota system is better, but not massively. The nice thing about the...
  3. LIMITED Specs, Features, Price -- 2025 4Runner 6th Gen ++ Colors, Interiors, Accessories, Options

    I've got a few complaints, but overall they have done a pretty spectacular job. What are you sad about? Many people a annoyed about losing the six cylinder, but pretty much everyone that has reviewed the Tacoma has said the new drive train is a clear upgrade over the old one. They kept pretty...
  4. LIMITED Specs, Features, Price -- 2025 4Runner 6th Gen ++ Colors, Interiors, Accessories, Options

    I meant off-road focused. I specifically would want a 4Runner with Full-Time 4WD.
  5. PLATINUM Specs, Features, Price -- 2025 4Runner 6th Gen ++ Colors, Interiors, Accessories, Options

    That was something they introduced to the tundra later on. Maybe 2024? not sure. They don't do it with the Tacoma and looks like they don't do it here. Who knows if they ever will.
  6. PLATINUM Specs, Features, Price -- 2025 4Runner 6th Gen ++ Colors, Interiors, Accessories, Options

    Well, it is almost exactly $2,000. I'm not sure if that would be worth it to me if I decide I don't care about the hybrid ($5,000 diff without hybrid). I might have to sit in both and see what the difference in interior quality felt like. The only feature that I think I might actually miss is...
  7. LIMITED Specs, Features, Price -- 2025 4Runner 6th Gen ++ Colors, Interiors, Accessories, Options

    I'm very sad that Everest is only an option on the off-road trims. 😢
  8. 2025 4Runner Price Release! MSRP & Options Pricing for all trim levels, gas & hybrid models (6th Gen)

    Yes, there is a difference as was pointed out in the video I posted. However, like you said the difference is small. By small I mean not even enough to change the MPG rating you see, but yes I misspoke when I said "just as efficient". As for your comment on differences between the trims, that...
  9. 2025 4Runner Price Release! MSRP & Options Pricing for all trim levels, gas & hybrid models (6th Gen)

    This is outdated and no longer true. Modern drivetrains are just as efficient in 4 wheel drive. Here are the numbers for the Tacoma: TRD Sport Hybrid TRD Off-Road Hybrid Limited Hybrid (FT 4WD) Weight 5,045 lb 5,030 lb 5,170 lb MPG (City, HW, Comb) 22/24/23 22/24/23 23/24/24...
  10. 2025 4Runner Price Release! MSRP & Options Pricing for all trim levels, gas & hybrid models (6th Gen)

    Full-Time 4WD only being on the Limited/Platinum Hybrid is just as stupid as it is with the Tacoma.
  11. 2026 Honda Passport Trailsport Teaser

    In a similar segment, the next gen Outback will be revealed pretty soon and it is expected to be much less of a wagon (taller). Not sure how much, but there were spy shots to get an idea.
  12. Has Toyota started building 2025 4Runner yet? [updated w/ production start schedule]

    The word has recently been that deliveries have been delayed until early 2025. I think someone said February. So I very much doubt they have started building yet. My Subaru's I've bought started around 2 months before delivery, so it makes sense that they will start sometime around Nov or Dec...
  13. 2nd Row Leg Room

    I would expect it to be pretty close to the outgoing 4Runner generation. The dimensions are pretty similar. I would not be too concerned. Comparing it to a Tacoma is not really valid for the second row. You say "carbon copy of the Tacoma", but that is only in certain areas and the back seat is...
  14. Availability of full-time 4wd + 3rd row seat?

    You pretty much summed it up there. I don't believe there is anything additional anyone has to add. I think we can say for sure only the limited and platinum will have full-time 4wd. However, the other information we have is conflicting. Yes the prototype was a non-hybrid with full-time 4wd, but...
  15. Breaking News (None?)

    Yeah, that does not shock me at all. Not only are they scrambling for fixing issues, I think they are also scrambling for responding to complaints and market pressures on the Tacoma and otherwise. It would not surprise me if the 2025 Tacoma also got seriously delayed as they work to adjust and...
  16. 2025 4Runner Off-Road hood scoop?

    Good on you on understanding yourself. Everyone is illogical in one way or another. I know I've got my own annoyances that I should be able to get over and can't. It is better to understand it and manage it than try to deny or argue it. As was said, if it follows the Tacoma the Off-Road should...
  17. 2025 4Runner Off-Road hood scoop?

    Just curious, why would having the fake hood scoop be a deal breaker? I can understand not liking it and thinking it is tacky, but straight up calling it a deal breaker that determines your purchasing decision seems extreme.
  18. Share your new truck purchase experience

    This is definitely a different market though it has cooled significantly since since the COVID hit. I'm not sure if you want to do this immediately after the start hitting the lots. Realistically, I think we are looking at multiple months of the vehicles being purchased before they even arrive...
  19. "MINI" LAND CRUISER FJ RETURNS // CONFIRMED FOR DEC 2024 LAUNCH BY BEST CAR MAGAZINE FROM JAPAN

    Maybe? I'm not really sure as I don't think anyone really has a vehicle like this. It is a compact SUV, but it is still body on frame. Maybe comparable to cheaper/two door wranglers?
  20. MUDBATH 2025+ 4Runner 6th Gen Thread

    Where is this information coming from? I've seen nothing actually said about the 2025 Tacoma. I would love to hear something as there are multiple features I'm hoping for (memory seats).
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