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I hope you are right and a well spec’d 4Runner is 10k less than a LC. I’m however doubtful. The LC is 61-67k depending what you select. I assume a TRD pro or Trailhunter will be the same or more. A TRD off-road with extras that make it similar to a LC will be 60ish looking at Taco prices. At...

For me the full time AWD could be the main reason to go with the LC. I’m in the northeast so streets with snow covered and clear pavement are frequent. Off roading at trails worse than bad dirt roads is rare. All time 4WD is more useful here. It will depend on price though. If a well equipped...

I’m leaning more and more to a Land Cruiser. It’s about 67k in the version I want and has permanent awd. I don’t think a 4Runner is much cheaper in the version I would choose.

The TRD off road premium in the KBB estimates seems to be the most interesting. If you add $5k in extras it's still in the 55K range. I guess we have to wait as these estimates can vary a lot based on whats included and what packages you need to buy. Manufacturers have their way to make sure you...

I'm a bit conflicted on that one. It's neat and tidy to have it built in. However, if it breaks then you need to go to the dealership to get it fixed under warranty. I actually prefer to have a separate compressor that I only bring if necessary. No need to drive around a compressor for weeks...

I have to admit I wasn't too thrilled with the look in the beginning because i felt the 2025 looked a bit too much off-road styled. But the more I see it the more I like it. Especially in the trail hunter color. Even the snorkel looks good, although I can't see myself driving around in Boston...

I got the extended warranty on my 2015 Jeep. (Yes, for a Jeep it's good to have.) I had every known issue with this model happen to me in the last two years and got it fixed on warranty. Overall about 15k in repairs (parts and labor). AC compressor, radiator, oil filter housing, transfer case...

My current Jeep has a locking rear diff. A part time 4WD with locking diffs compared to full time 4WD it's usually worse when you for example drive to a skiing area and the road is partially covered in snow/ice and partially dry. Then I'm driving in two wheel drive because I just can't switch...

Yeah, agree with all of your points especially the reliability. However there are a number of grand Cherokee plug ins available around me that are well equipped and still under 60k. Just wanted to say that plug ins in that segment exist and they seem to sell very well. And is seems it's not too...

Thanks great find. Although this are manual seats and the 4runner likely has an electric front passenger seat. But yes, it would be great if they would either offer a manual front seat or the electric one folds flat too.

Argh. Just was at my jeep dealer. Not really a competition to the 4 runner. But they have a plug in 2024 wrangler with rear locker, heated seats, rock rails, bf Goodrich off-road tires, hard top, all the basics for 61k MSRP for 55k. Right there to pick it up. I don’t understand why toyota is...

How flat does the passenger front seat fold down? This would be very important for transporting long stuff like surfboards or sleeping in the car.

You have the TRD pro more expensive than the Trailhunter? Why? I would have expected the Trailhunter to be 5k more expensive than the TRD pro. I mean that snorkel has to cost something? :ROFLMAO: But seriously, what does the TRD pro have that the Trailhunter doesn't have? And I agree that we are...

Will be interesting to see if Toyota thinks they can position the 4Runner in the same price category as the Landcruiser. In that case they would charge 65-70k for the TRD pro. I would expect them to position the 4Runner a level below the Landcruiser. With a Tacoma interior that you get in a...

I can't imagine that they can charge 65k for a TRD pro. Not for the Tacoma and not for the 4Runner. With the economy slowing down and demand for cars not going up I think they have to be careful with pricing (maybe with markups in the first three month the can charge a lot). There is a reason...

Thanks. On their website for the Highlander they do not state that this is the iForce V4. However the Limited Hybrid is only $1700 more expensive than the regular V4 Highlander Limited. I would assume that the iForce Max Hybrid in the 4Runner is then also about 1700-2000 dollar more expensive...

Does anybody know how much more expensive the V4 iForce Max Hybrid engine is compared to the V4 iForce? Is there a car in Toyotas lineup that offers both so that we can see what the price increase would be if you were to select a iForce Max in a trim that gives you both options?

There seem to be a few Toyota MSRP dealers around that never charge above MSRP. In the last years they sold TRD pro's for MSRP and had them available. I wonder if that will hold true for super popular models like the 4runner. In any case I will not pay above MSRP no matter what. I'd rather wait...

I wish they would already have a plug in hybrid. the legal framework in the US asks for that anyway and the popularity of the Jeep Wrangler Hybrid show that people would buy that.

They are cleary going for a "ford raptor" look. Not that they copy that design, but they want the TRD pro to look tough, brawny, wide just as the raptor versions. I'm more interested in a more subtle look. So I hope you can get a TRD off-road premium and upgrade it to be of similar functionality...