Positronic
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Also just rcvd the pricing slick from my contact at the dealer where my deposit is in. Assuming this small caption at the bottom of the doc indicates the website trim builder will be live sometime today hopefully?
Looks like the build & price is starting to populate with 2025 4runner models, as just posted by @patrickj67 -- https://www.4runner6g.com/forum/thr...trims-begin-appearing-on-toyota-website.1958/
Also just rcvd the pricing slick from my contact at the dealer where my deposit is in. Assuming this small caption at the bottom of the doc indicates the website trim builder will be live sometime today hopefully?
It hurts gas mileage ratings which may not be a big impact to customers, it is an impact to CAFE regulations and the resultant fines.Full-Time 4WD only being on the Limited/Platinum Hybrid is just as stupid as it is with the Tacoma.
This is outdated and no longer true. Modern drivetrains are just as efficient in 4 wheel drive. Here are the numbers for the Tacoma:It hurts gas mileage ratings which may not be a big impact to customers, it is an impact to CAFE regulations and the resultant fines.
TRD Sport Hybrid | TRD Off-Road Hybrid | Limited Hybrid (FT 4WD) | |
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Weight | 5,045 lb | 5,030 lb | 5,170 lb |
MPG (City, HW, Comb) | 22/24/23 | 22/24/23 | 23/24/24 |
Those ratings have decimal points and are rounded. 23.4 gets rounded down to 23 and 23.5 gets rounded up to 24. The vehicles you’ve listed don’t have the same wheels, tires, or even aero (TRD OR lacks the air dam, as an example). That impacts the system’s overall efficiency.This is outdated and no longer true. Modern drivetrains are just as efficient in 4 wheel drive. Here are the numbers for the Tacoma:
TRD Sport Hybrid TRD Off-Road Hybrid Limited Hybrid (FT 4WD) Weight 5,045 lb 5,030 lb 5,170 lbMPG (City, HW, Comb) 22/24/23 22/24/23 23/24/24
Unfortunately people still believing incorrect information like this is the main reason they don't put full-time 4WD on all trims. People will also think that it can't perform as well off-road as part time 4WD when it is EXACTLY the same with the center diff locked. Meanwhile, on road performance is SIGNIFICANTLY better.
Yes, there is a difference as was pointed out in the video I posted. However, like you said the difference is small. By small I mean not even enough to change the MPG rating you see, but yes I misspoke when I said "just as efficient".Those ratings have decimal points and are rounded. 23.4 gets rounded down to 23 and 23.5 gets rounded up to 24. The vehicles you’ve listed don’t have the same wheels, tires, or even aero (TRD OR lacks the air dam, as an example). That impacts the system’s overall efficiency.
All things equal, a full time 4WD system is less efficient than a part time. It’s small but the difference is there. It has more friction loss by splitting the torque between the front and rear prop shaft versus just taking the front prop shaft for a ride with the rear.
Add in the cost of the differential into the decision making matrix and it starts makes sense to put the center diff on the vehicles where the buyers demand it and exclude it from the ones where it doesn’t.
YES, yes they are. AND I’m sure there will be some ADM thrown in for good measure. Mix that in with the inability to order exactly what you want, you’ll more than likely have to contend with the allocation lottery.. not worth it to me, especially with it being more expensive and a new model year to boot. I’d also rather stay away from the higher probability of manufacturing gremlins springing a gotcha or two. I’ll wait until things settle a bit and keep an eye out for the inevitable user experience reports.These Toyota prices are crazy